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The 30 Days, 30 Ships Meme
Day 16 - What is the absolute worst pairing?


Buffy and Spike, Buffy the Vampire Slayer

You know, in theory, I get it. I really do. I get the dramatic potential of a dark, dysfunctional relationship borne out of depression and self-loathing. That's not why I have a problem with it.

My problem is two-fold.

A. It became the fucking Spike show, in all meanings of the word. Remember how Buffy was the hero? Not anymore. The show was more concerned with Spike. Spike's story, Spike's journey, Spike's redemption, Spike's precious ickle feelings. This is what happens when writers fall too much in love with a character/actor. It takes over. The story suffers to keep the character at the forefront. Spike went from villain to co-lead to romantic lead. WHAT? Everything that made him interesting was sucked away, pun intended, to turn him into a swoony woobie. Big mistake.

B. What it did to Buffy long-term. Short-term I could handle. I could go where her story was going as she suffocated and floundered. It wasn't fun, but okay, she had to go through it. But not only did she go from calling this "using" him to "being in love with" him, she had the gall to go and say that out of all her friends, the people who had fought by her side loyally when they didn't have to, the Watcher who loved her like she was his own child, she said that the only person who ever had her back was the demon who tried to rape her. OH HELL NO.

The elevation of this ship ultimately ruined the show. It wasn't the only thing. There were a lot of missteps in the last couple of years, but this.... just horrible. Horrible, horrible.

Fun fact: Buffy's very last word on the very last episode of the show with her name in the title? "Spike."

Day 01 - What is your current favorite ship?
Day 02 - What was your very first ship?
Day 03 - A pairing that needs to happen now?
Day 04 - The pairing with the most chemistry?
Day 05 - The pairing with the least chemistry?
Day 06 - The best kiss?
Day 07 - The most heartbreaking scene?
Day 08 - The pairing with the most baggage?
Day 09 - The most believable relationship?
Day 10 - Why aren’t these two married in real life?
Day 11 - What is your dream pairing?
Day 12 - Who had the best wedding?
Day 13 - What is your favorite television pairing?
Day 14 - What is your favorite book pairing?
Day 15 - What is your favorite real life pairing?
Day 16 - What is the absolute worst pairing?
Day 17 - A pairing you thought would never work out, but did?
Day 18 - What is the cutest pairing?
Day 19 - A pairing you’ve rooted for since the beginning?
Day 20 - The ‘can’t stand the sexual tension anymore’ pairing?
Day 21 - A pairing you like and no one else understands why?
Day 22 - A pairing you hate and no one else understands why?
Day 23 - A crazy love triangle/quadrilateral that worked out great?
Day 24 - A crazy love triangle/quadrilateral that worked out badly?
Day 25 - A pairing that was/would-be adorable, but could never work out?
Day 26 - A pairing that you hated and ended up loving?
Day 27 - A pairing that you loved and ended up hating?
Day 28 - A pairing that you will never understand?
Day 29 - What ship had the best proposal?
Day 30 - Your favorite ship forever and ever and ever!

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cal_reflector From: cal_reflector Date: July 22nd, 2010 12:45 am (UTC) (Link)
Fun fact: Buffy's very last word on the very last episode of the show with her name in the title? "Spike."

mellowcandle From: mellowcandle Date: July 22nd, 2010 12:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's funny because it's true.
roseice From: roseice Date: July 22nd, 2010 01:02 am (UTC) (Link)
I disagree with that, mostly because I think season 5 was pretty balanced. And it definitely wasn't all about Spike. He appeared in each episode, sure, but sometimes it was like a 5 second appearance. There was a crapload of stuff happening in that season that outweighed Spike's new popularity... you're probably just thinking about the episodes that were solely concerning him. And I didn't mind those, I love character development. Because of where they took the characters from season 1 to 5, I felt really endeared to them... it was like the peak season, but it ends there for me, too. Seasons 6 and 7 were garbage, imo.

I'm arguing this point because I don't think the spotlight swerved from Buffy at all in season 5. The tragedy splayed throughout that season was epic, and all of it dealt with and affected her directly. What happens? Riley leaves, her sister appears and Buffy learns Dawn is the key and has to now protect her with her life, Glory appears as a great threat to this goal, Buffy struggles with her strength and goes on a self-searching trip of sorts, Tara has her brain sucked out, Buffy's mother dies after an interval of feeding everyone hope, and finally, Buffy gives her life to save both her sister and the world. What am I missing.

Maybe I'm just in love with this season because I've been into BTVS since I was young, but man. It was amazingly done.

mellowcandle From: mellowcandle Date: July 22nd, 2010 01:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
I didn't really say anything about season five. I do think it was the turning point, but despite that it still had a strong arc. (And it did have Buffy telling Spike the only chance he had with her was when she was unconscious. Oh, how I missed that Buffy later. She should have staked the hell out of him in "Crush".) The last two seasons where were the problems were, which I think is what I said, or at least what I meant to say. Spike became Data to me--the writers were so enamoured of focusing on him that they seemed to forget there were other people on the show. "Lies My Parents Told Me" is a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad episode that just reinforced how focused both the show and Buffy had become on Spike to the detriment of everything else. There were lots of times and reasons Buffy should have turned him into a big pile of dust, but it became clear that the show would never go there because they liked him too much. The show had to constantly justify keeping him around, and the reasons became less and less believable. If Buffy wouldn't stake him, someone else should have, and they would have been entirely right to do so.
roseice From: roseice Date: July 22nd, 2010 09:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, I just assumed because you were focusing on Spike and Buffy in general, and season 5 is when that begins. xD But yea, I don't remember much about seasons 6 and 7, only that they had no rewatch value for me. So I agree there.
mellowcandle From: mellowcandle Date: July 23rd, 2010 05:28 pm (UTC) (Link)
Season six has a couple of good episodes, like the musical which I really do enjoy for the songs if not the story, and that's the only reason I bought the DVDs. I won't ever buy season seven.
peacewish From: peacewish Date: July 22nd, 2010 06:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ugh, so true. Remember when Spike first showed up, how dangerous and scary he was? He invaded the school on Parent Night and murdered several people, lured that spacey girl into becoming a snack for his psychotic girlfriend, and burned the Anointed One to a crisp just because he felt like it. He was wild, unpredictable, and frightening.

The return cameo in season 3 was a small injustice to his character, but it was so funny it could be forgiven. The brain chip plot in season 4 was starting to push things a little, but Spike was still unabashedly evil on the inside (just unable to express it through violence) that it was still okay. That's what made the ep in which he and Buffy 'get engaged' so very funny.

Then the writers forgot that Buffy/Spike was ever a joke, and started doing it for real. And then the show just went to hell (pun intended). Spike stopped being scary, dangerous, and unpredictable, and became a ridiculous has-been that trotted at Buffy's heels like a puppy. Even Angel had more self respect. You know, I never did find out how the show ended. I stopped watching when Buffy got the military guys to take out Spike's chip. "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?" I raged to the TV, and then shut it off. Granted, Joss had an uphill battle to keep my interest after shooting Tara in cold blood like that, but this was the dealbreaker.
mellowcandle From: mellowcandle Date: July 22nd, 2010 08:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
Then the writers forgot that Buffy/Spike was ever a joke, and started doing it for real.

Yep. It should have stayed a joke. The shippers and ficcers still could have run with it, but it would have stayed in fic and off the show. Heck, fic might have made me like it a little bit.

I might be the only person who wasn't outraged when Tara was killed. I mean, I liked her okay, but I wasn't that attached to her. I was more pissed about Xander's eye.
8 pathetic excuses or justify your existence